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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: Is only messenger of God able ? part 1

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]There was a time which I was believing in Creation but not messengers and scripture. I was challenging religious people to prove that their scripture is authored by Creator. I was asking them to demonstrate sign of invisible creation like falling apple from tree due to invisible gravity force. Telling them that falling apple is sign for existence of invisible gravity force. None of hem could meet the challenge.
One of my first search on net was proof for existence of God.
I found this file and when I finished it I submitted into existence of Creator.
Now I was reading Quran to understand and learn not for prayer and etc…
God authored many times in Quran that he sent His messengers with solid proofs.
Such proofs are designed to challenge human's knowledge of its time and location.
Moses throws his stock changing to a dragon which hundreds could witness or opens the see that thousands see it.
Jesus speaks as is born and performs miracles which no human able to do at his time.
Mohammed scribes last messages from God before end of this illusion. His Miracle for proof to be prophet and messenger of God was his education. No human with such minimal knowledge which was knowing 28 Arabic letters as number in business could write the most excellent text full of knowledge. Such great work could be accepted by millions which could red an understand Arabic. ( I am not sure how many of those 1.2 billions have read this book and understand it !!).
This time the Miracle was traveling and spreading around the Glob for those that can read and understand it. Access to printing, electricity , energy and later war industry spying systems caused communication inventions to speed up Now Quran was translated by sectarian translator which they were changing meaning of words matching their Hadith.
19th century have been marked as a start for new era which we are yet at its very stages.
Human preformed the first world wide war and its second 0ne too. Human could travel to space and internet was one of these phenomenon.
1400 years passed . All religion have been corrupted. Scientist are atheist or their mind is covered with their parent corrupted religions. Using name of God and its scripture for killing and calling other part devil hence all of them are same.
This era human is able to manipulate nana size of elements or do changes in creation by manipulating dna. There fore this time God is challenging all scientist to produce one chapter like those.
God shows his knowledge and greatness to human which understand it without prejudices..
This time messenger of God is a well educated human which reject Darvin’s theory by sacrifice reasons and he is computer programmers too.

Dr.Rashad Khalifah was inspired by God to deliver secret of those 14 pairs in 29 surat and independent mathematical structure of chapter one.

For me as agonist prior to conversion his discovery is enough accepting him as God’s messenger. But majority of new generation which are leaving their parents are not disconnecting all links of their past belief. These people have criticized Radhad’s claim and have pointed many times why he has used different methods adding his GV name and verse to bring it to multiple of 19.

Edip Yuksel is claiming that e found those calaculations.

My search for more evidence could not satisfy my expectation. I was feeling that Rashad some corner have proofed his inspiration without himself knowing that.
In third year I found that. A believer found pattern in very simple table Rashad left behuind and I have chance to find the related verse and re publish it
After 3 decoys and having access to most advanced computer aided programs ye we are not able to find how Rashad sat up such table..

If you reader are one of those that are expecting solid proof then you are challenged to imitate it in full.
Awaiting for your solution

Following have been edited for removing numbers and codes and broken links from original place.

From: ynineteen
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2001 8:41 pm
Subject: Puzzle No.1 of *19*
Hello everybody. I hope I am in right place to find answer to my question that has bee a pus zzle for lastfew years and will be if you are not able
to solve it My mathematics knowledge is around HS My English is second. The puzzles I understand but to solve it we will see. I could not have any solution and may it is due to my mathematics knowledge that is not
more than HS and years ago. Now here I hope you or your teachers could help to find the solution
Puzzle No One.
1- G delivered a big container with 114 different sized of boxes to M
2- All these boxes were numbered from 1 to 114
3- G informed M that those boxes should be setup according tonew indexing number. M died before he could do that but his fiends did it according to instruction left over by M The had to relocate all b0xes and put back in new order. But one of them made a new indexing showing the old and new order . For example 5 for 17 for 2 89 for 3 92 for 4 …… and 21 for 114 the last one.
51872893924112555639788811395110521153129613721454157016501769184419 4520732110322742310224422547264827492885298430573175329033583443354136563738\38 93960406141624263436444654566469547111481064934506751765223533754975546569457
1055810159916010961110621046310864996510766776726878697970717140723734743175\
98763377807881792480781828286838384278536868876888108935902691992119312942895196 br>2597100989399141003010116102131033210419105291061710715108181091141106111221\
122011321114
Centuries past until human could manage his science and knowledge by help of mathematics to create such creature ( computer) to be able to calculate figures with many digits that we do not have any term or
name of for them.
Recently a searcher considered those numbers next to each other as one figure.
WOW. So many digits Is not readable ! But this creature ( computer) could read it and we can do all kinds of mathematical functions using that figure . At this time all we need is /*-+ . How ever this person
considered it one figure and divide it by 19. He found that it is multiple of 19.So many
1927301523117953976652520427050058169027962954590239030008685141676010
23793326896435485843286434459288565752027886476700922784387281280811
24507230729441896874429601386507603445086681826902531920707930272448
54491449987129773398476621587364000576900559002437413947184777198775
09887884056406003809130227242040177779362199604251675172991493909396
67730930990047031066799958522699699448401366895257578495264742166369
54264905811531857424300563953062162691637163748480105859006 Y19? I have asked same question and have not been satisfied with response. Now my problem is that I do not know how G could setup such
Specifics Sequences for new listing to bring this pattern multiple of 19 .I would like to see if you can help and post any formula or equation have been used.
Thank You
From: ynineteen
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2001 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Hi
I may remind you that all those set of numbers are somehow interloked and none of them could be modified or replace.

From: Clooneman
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

??? ????? ????????????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????

From: ynineteen
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 5:36 am
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Are you asking me if I know the solution?

From: Clooneman
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2001 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

No, I'm just overwhelmed by the whole thing.

From: ynineteen
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2001 3:04 am
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Great That shows that you understand the puzzle entirely. Congratulation. Smile

I was overwhelmed too.
But there infinite patterns and combinations like those inside those boxes. You may be the one to find more. Now let us see what we see more .
114 boxes with different sizes and dimensions. We open first box
that with new indexing is number 1 and but when was delivered was number
We see 7 cards numbered from 1 to seven . Now we have found the secret dominator prime number 19 we try to use same pattern with number of boxes . We write box 1 and put cards in order
1234567 We have 11234567 is multiple of 19. !! may it could
be a coincidence any other box with same pattern could have sane result. We continue our search. We see each card has series of numbers which do not exceed more than 4 figures for example on card number I
we see these numbers separated from each other.2-60-40-1-30-30-5-1-30-200-6-40-50-1-30-200-8-10-40 we count the sets of number is 19!! We try other
cards and we see that : number 2 has 17 set number 3
has 12 set …. Number 7 has 43 sets We decide to
put these sets of number as pattern as in their
order: Box 1 19 17 12…. 43 we get this
figure:119,171,211,191,843 and it is multiple of 19 !!!Could be this
coincidence ? !!1 Now we add up amount of sets of numbers
in each card: Card number 1 has 19 sets and total is 786 Card number 2 has 17 sets and total of 581 Card …So let us try this way now : Box number, total sets of number, total value of sets:
1 19 786 17 581 …………. 43 6009 he we have:1,978,617,581,126,181,124,119,836,181, 072,436,009.<bAnd is multiple of 19.
All these are scribed in the language that are reverse to English. We try to mirror the set and numbers in whole :6009 43 1072 18 836 19 241 11 618 12 581 17 786 19 1
 it is multiple of 19. Is there any formula or
equation for such setup? Now we dig into all boxes and
we see infinite treasure of simple mathematical
pattern with 19 dominator . It was discovered in 1974 and
still is goin on and day by day we find more pattern .
 Do you like to see more?

[color=blue]From: aldimalkoun
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

You might think that the person who discovered such patterns is a mathematical genius, or that these patterns show a remarkable property about the integer 19, but the way I see it is this: someone was reallynbored one day, and programmed his computer to test a certain number of patterns, and stop when the pattern tested has the properties required (divisibility by 19 etc.).

Anyone can do that! I don't think it is really worth it to spend so much time on it.
On the other hand, there are yet so many important open questions in number theory, which are worthy of investigation. I hope you'll get interested in one of these instead. For example, are there infinitely many pairs of prime numbers which differ by two (such as 3 and 5, or
5 and 7 etc.)? It is worth it to try to come up with a counter-example of this conjecture using a computer, or eventually come up with a proof that it's true. There are also many diophantine equations which are still unsolved. Moreover, you might program your computer to come up with conjectures, perhaps regarding the distributions of some special numbers (such as primes). All these are worthy of investigation.
I hope you'll get more interested in one of these problems. In
that case, you can be sure that we all would be very happy to help you.

From: ynineteen
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 1:32 am
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*
*19*
Greeting

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You might think that the person who discovered such patterns is a
mathematical genius, or that these patterns show a remarkable
property about the integer 19, but the way I see it is
this: someone was really bored one day

Let us see what you responded in your post 3391

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I think this is an interesting problem

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and programmed his computer to test a certain number of patterns, and stop when the pattern tested has the properties required (divisibility by 19 etc.).Anyone can do that! I don't think it is really worth it
to spend so much time on it.

then you wrote ;

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I'm not going to work on this problem anymore personally (I've already spent more than two hours on it), but I hope you'll find this useful. Good luck.

Dear friend none of this pattern is new . They are authored in Quran 1400 years ago in the middle of desert by hand of Last prophet which was caravan security guard hardly could read words. If you are not able
to imitate such simplest one then be honest and do not try to degrade it.

…

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All these are worthy of investigation. I hope you'll get more
interested in one of these problems. In that case, you can
be sure that we all would be very happy to help you.

I appreciate for your guidance . I am not mathematician and hardly I gave a very simple example of a 114 numbers be scrambled and then set up such amazing sequences which no mathematician with most modern calculating machines can imitate or tell us how was done ?

All those Mathematical
structure of Quran has been designed by a superhuman 1400 years ago in a very simple methods that any primary school student can understand but no human can imitate.
The puzzle was taken from this file . Please read the file completely and find how these pattern reach to more than 43000 digits in one figure multiple of 19 There is 19 calculator which long figures can be
checked. As you said earlier :

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I think this is an interesting problem

From: jason1990
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

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Can we please have puzzles #2-19 of 19, because no. 1 is a little boring.

From: ynineteen
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*cor.

Miracle is base of my new belief and is NOT Boring me. Smile

From: ynineteen
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 12:49 am
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

*19*
Greeting:
Of course when we can not imitate such simple pattern with all
our science and technology then is boring. If we are honest and cut off from our ego then we surrender and submit ourselves to our Creator Alone which never can be a human.
Actually I was posting another portion of these infinite puzzles in post 3336.
That was version of following file that avoided to use letters and their values

I hope you will enjoy it and if you like to see more I may offer start from href=http://www.submission.org/math/
http://www.submission.org/math/or
http://www.19.org/ and many other sites. Peace.

From: Clooneman
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

I'm currently going through
http://www.submission.org/math-ap1.html.
http://www.submission.org/math-ap1.html.

Fascinating stuff. Now I know exactly what you were on about the whole time.And Yusuf Ali and Marmaduke Pickthall should have been sacked.

From: ynineteen
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2001 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Dear Clooneman:
When you responde;

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I'm just overwhelmed by the whole thing.

I wanted be sure that you know good math.

checked this club indexing . I found that you are one of senior member of this club. You joined this club 14 months ago post 1481. Since then you have participate in almost all puzzles. My mathematical knowledge do not suffice to understand your solution for other puzzles.
But it shows that you know what you are talking about and silence to your solution is sign of satisfaction
If I am not silence do not mean that I am not satisfied with your response. I want be sure that there is no doubt what you wrote. Why you do not help me to refer this puzzle to people that think know more than
you. You can help me to ask same puzzle from your masters and teachers which I do not know many., Those that taught you how to solve these puzzles. You may find away to solve it . Then it will help me a lot. I
am in state of my belief. Your honest response could change my direction. Now it is four years that I believe such simple mathematics is authored by a superhuman as is claimed unless a human can produce such
combination.
The author of this digital project claims that no human Can PRODUCE such things?
The person found the secret code of this digital complex 19 claims
Simple to understand-Impossible to imitate
I have understood that easily as is simple arithmetic but wonder if
some body can imitate such sequences.Thank you

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From: Clooneman
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:41 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

The truth is I'm more or less a bit of a cowboy.
Sure I participate in puzzles and attempt one or two
questions. But take a look at the amount of problems I haven't replied to. This is because I have no knowledge of the particular field of mathematics in the problem. I have not done any math courses in college or
anything. I'd love to be able to asnwer, or attempt, every single problem that is posted in this club, but I can't.
If I had a much greater knowledge of all things mathematical, then maybe I could try and answer most or al ofthe problems in this club, your problem included. But
I just haven't the know-how. As I said, I never studied math courses in college, so I know no-one who Icouldrefer your problem to. But there are many members of this club, an I am surprised that none of them has
tried to help you out. As before, I help you if I could, but I am unable. Best of luck.Clooneman

From: ynineteen
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Clooneman
I appreciate your attempt and guidance. But there are many members of this club, an I am surprised that none of them has tried to help you out. As before, I help you if I could, but I am unable. Best of luck too. .You were only one responded . May they have not read my post so I am trying to bring their attention by changing the title of post . I am sending a note to founder for helping me to inform those member that are not logging in often. Thank You and good lock.

From: aldimalkoun
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

By the way, Muslim mathematicians and physicists were exceptionally good. They discovered (created?) spherical trigonometry (and perhaps trigonometry itself). Ibn Al Haytham, for instance, was a brilliant physicist, whose work on a problem in optics is very famous:
he arrived at a 4th degree polynomial equation, and was able to solve it by intersecting a hyperbola with a circle, if I'm not mistaken. So I have no doubt about their mathematical abilities, you can be sure about that... And I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to come up with very complicated patterns, which puzzles us right now how they arrived at them, especially without the use of a computer (and mathematics itself
wasn't very elaborate at that time).OK man, I will investigate these problems, with a computer though, as soon as time permits. But you need to give me some time: I need to finish my exams first, buy Mathematica second, learn how to use it (especially how towrite programs), and then work at these problems. And I'll tell you later on about the outcome... I need approximately one month to finish my exams, but don't worry, I
won't forget these problems. I mean, it's a chance for me too to learn Mathematica, and to practice not only my mathematical, but also computational skills.

From: ynineteen
Date: Fri Jan 11, 2002 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*
You are talking about time years sfter Quran was revealed and caused Arabs to be educated. The time that Quran was revealed Arabs were in their darkest time of history as God says in Quran:at-Taubah

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9:97.2The
Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

Moslem sectarin claiming that Mohammed was illitrate to support Quran as miracle by a uneducated person. He was not illtrate but knew how to write numbers using letters. He was no mathematician either.Peace.

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:04 pm Post subject: Part 2

From: aldimalkoun
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:29 am
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

I think this is an interesting problem Smile

To come up with an algorithm that will immediately yield onepossible new indexing, such that the pattern number is divisible by 19 is very difficult, even with a powerful computer, because there are 114! = 10 to the 17 approximately possible patterns. Moreover, order is important.
Some tests of divisibility by 19 have been devised recently that can be useful. I would highly recommend that you read Khare's paper on "Divisibility Tests" which can be found at:
http://math.furman.edu/~mwoodard/fuejum/content/1997/1997paper1.pdf
I will give you some tests of divisibility by 19 that might be useful: 1) Take out the last digit, multiply it by 2, then add it to the numbers remaining. Repeat the process, until you get a number you know is,
or isn't, divisible by 19. (simply because you can write the number s as s = 10x + y, where 10. and 10x + y congruent to 10x + 20y (mod 19), which is congruent to 10(x+2y). but 19 doesn't divide 10, therefore
it must divide x+2y.)>
2) Multiply the digits by 2^0, 2^1, 2^2..., from LEFT TO RIGHT, then add up, and test the resulting number (which is much
smaller than the initial number) for divisibility.Basically, this is due to the fact that 10*2 is congruent to 1 (mod 19). Please read Khare's paper for the proof.
Since the pattern number is quite large, you can also use this divisibility test (that I've devised foryou, but of course, all based on Khare's paper. I'm not a genius, he is).
3) You could group the number by groups of 9, then take the alternating sum, and check for divisibility by 19. For example, let s = 243153221243153202. -243153221 +243153202 = 19, which is divisible by 19. Therefore, s is divisible by 19. Please, if somebody can, check this (using Mathematica for example). This method is due to the fact that
10^9 is congruent to -1 mod 19.
However, in all cases, you need some powerful mathematical computer
package, such as mathematica, for the computations involved. I'm not going to work on this problem anymore personally (I've already spent more than two hours on it), but I hope you'll find this useful. Good
luck. Reference: Khare's paper on "Divisibility Tests" which can be found at:
htttp://math.furman.edu/~mwoodard/fuejum/content/1997/1997paper1.
This is a very interesting paper. Please read it, all
of you. It's only 3 to 4 pages.

From: ynineteen
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Hi
Thank you for your attempt .

Quote:

I think this is an interesting problem Smile

To come up with
an algorithm that will immediately yield one
possible new indexing, such that the pattern number is
divisible by 19 is very difficult, ..It is difficult
indeed even with a powerful computer, because there are
114! = 10 to the 17 approximately possible patterns.

This was authored centuries ago when there was no such
technology.!!!
You are the second member responding to 19 puzzle. As I have explained I did not have chance to learn high level mathematics in my school years and was not alert enough to learn by myself as Clooneman has learned. You have not come with solid solution and recommended 3 methods to find a way to reach solution.
Is that right?
As my mathematics a is limited to HS and that was many years ago then I am not able to follow your methods. I prefer to see a simple method to
see the secret of arranging such pattern which is small portion of whole.

However, in all cases, you need some powerful mathematical computer package, such as mathematica, for the computations involved. I'm not going to work on this problem anymore personally (I've already spent more than two hours on it), but I hope you'll find this useful. Good
luckI hope some member or visitor here able to use that computer package “mathematica “ for solution. Thanks for your time and effort.

From: ynineteen
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2001 5:58 am
Subject: Re: Puzzle No.1 of *19*

Peace be upon you every bodyAfter 3 years being insulted and humiliated by followers of corrupted religions I wrote my ps few weeks ago. I came here and erased all information on my profile to keep you away
from any negative influences caused by environment due to abusing Words of God . I have had experience that as soon as the name of Quran is indicated many lose their interest to look at question. The majority of
none Moslem see Quran through what those people claim to be Moslim falsely. I read a post today that Yahoo is going to delete all clubs. This is a bad news for such clubs like this one that people come to
teach or learn. But it is right decision when we witness how Yahoo Islamic club abusing Yahoo privileges for infinite ids has caused an anarchy. They generate so many ids and increase members of club to be on top. Recently the top club with 12000 members was deleted. Their acts and words are fabricated and can not be found in Quran . I am happy such clubs are deleted and is not feeding www users with false information. However I appreciate cooperation of founder and members here to find a solution .for what GODis challenging this era human with his knowledge.
The founder responded to me for asking sending email and asking questions that I have answered and a copy can be found in following forum board under topic “Challenge”As this topic and your responses as people that can understand the challenge is very important for (Like
appraisal of jewelry by experts

) then I have copy and pasted all related posts in following forum for now to be protected of any deletion. Please do not hesitate to response and may you the one to fins the
solution! Thank you for your patience and I will be here waiting
for more response. Iank You

I wrote the last pot 13 months latterin same day of month Smile

no planning.

I started to update thi file in Oct26 again no preplanning. I believe I am detined to such matche.