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Prophet and Messenger in Quran :

<<Hasbun 'Ullahu wa ni'm al-wakeel (Sufficient for us is Allah, and he is the best of Protectors) I do not rely on a number to prove Allahs oneness Allahs existence!, which you have done old brother.>>

Nothing wrong to believe in GOD as you do but you never can persuade our new generation by your parents methods following  corrupted religions.


This era human with access to science and knowledge is expecting something touchable and challenge their knowledge.

Witnessing mathematical structure in Quran  has had such power that converted me from an atheist to a believer,
We have many monotheists that are not believing in miracle and Rashad assignment but are following Quran alone.

<< And I repeat again Obey Allah and the Prophet's),>>

I obey Prophets from Noah to Abraham, Moses, Jesus,...last prophet and all messengers that their name is recorded in Quran. I am not following their life style.
Other way I have to do what in Quran is condemned.

" prohibit what GOD has made lawful for me, just to please my wives?
66:1

<< Not Obey Allah and Obey RK!,>>

 I have explained many times that I do not accept any word contrary to Words of GOD no matter is RK’s or Mohammed’s, Jesu, Moses…………………………….

<< Who's words are superior Muhammad(s) or RK's!.>>

Neither, their words will be same and if not then contradict GOD’s Messages. They were  not infallible like everything in this illusion unless GOD’s Words in QURAN ALONE

God never made any  distinction among His Prophets and messengers.
I as a Monotheist Moslem “submitter in English” based on 3:19 and 6:19 never observe any superiority for any of them to other one.

Rashad was a well educated Messenger.
This do not make him higher than any other prophet or messenger.
If Mohemmed was here to day with Quran then you should see how many people could believe in his words with no proof.
GOD is the Best Planner. Everything right on spot and right time. Mohammed with minimal education using to mange his business was powered by GOD to scribe those most influent Arabic Rhymes which for years later nobody could imitate its style.
Now education have been spread out all over this planet and lately few writers could imitate Quran text which was used as miracle by Arabic spoken people.
 
 

al-Baqarah 2:106
When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that GOD is Omnipotent?

Here clearly the phrase of God indicating future not past.
As God Willed and planned it was time to challenge human with his knowledge at this era .

People trying to imitate Last Revelation when their knowledge reached to such level.  Quran text could be used as a elegance and miraculous scripture for those that could read and write Arabic.

Now human has reached to age of electronic and computer.
Such human that is engaging all kind of tools and devices in daily life can not be compared to those that rarely could read and write and barley having access to books.
 

God authored those secret 1400 years ago in Quran to challenge today 19th century human.

 He saved Pharaoh’s body for us to see and take lesson from that.

Mathematics is base of all our knowledge and without mathematics human could not be a able to have access to this era technology.
This screen is designed and programmed by mathematics giving chance to us communicate so easily and fast. Nothing is out number. Everything was countered by number by Creator.
When time came that caused those Miracles by Moses, Jesus …. Be forgotten,  600 years later He revealed Quran In best ever rhymed Arabic. Took many years that human knowledge and education was promoted to a level that can imitate the literature of verses under influence of Satan.     If Satan schemes God knows better one.    God knew all this sequences and those seven pair was kept in secret until the “right time” 27:82

 He put an end ( abrogate ) to last Miracle which was claimed by Arabs as proof of book. Now human new nation was  going to be organized . A nation from all part of world without any boundary.

Internet nation that ia and you are one of them. Soon we reach to one billion users and how many of them will get to same path that submitters are GOD KNOWS.


I have witnessed how fast Islamic monotheism is growing among young intellectuals that have confidence to cut relay tion to those false teaching in all religions.


I am lucky to see such movement before I leave this illusion and I am luckier that without being asked I have done my own search and without any human teacher I am able to represent myself as monotheist believer equipped with SOLID PROOF for existence of Creator.
 

The Miracle of literature style of Quran was abrogated as soon as some body claimed he could imitate it (Under Satan influence) That Miracle which could be witnessed only by educated Arabs and those none Arabs knowing Arabic was not more a solid sign and all other nation could not see it.
He Produced a better Miracle. A Miracle that was amazing your teachers and masters that never could understand and explain what GOD means by authoring those alphabets on top of 29 surat and why call those Secret or Proof of Quran.
Everything was designed and planned ahead of time by Him and no forces could stop what suppose to be done.

Rashad was born in a very religious family hence first electronic computer was under design. .

Is recorded that you people started to teach Miracle in your schools. I am not sure if Shai’s Akhounds liked to see a Sunni scholar discovered the secret of Seven pairs. Everything was going quite and good.
If Rashad was not rejecting Hadith then today we had a Sunni messenger that may many of you believe in it. Here the main problem was not messenger ship of Rashad but his rejection of those beloved Lies by Boukharaie and others.
God could protect Rashad from being assassinated by the Hand of Satan. But He let to be done. He was a GOD’s Soldier and was killed for his belief. His soul will be admitted to heaven regardless  if any ignorance he has had in his life time.
God allowed Satan to assassinate him and his blood was fuelling this movement that I as older generation response to his recall
“La Illahi al Allah”.

 There is no god beside GOD
Rashad was fallible like Mohammed and other messengers and prophets before him. We can read in Quran several mistakes by those inspired one as messenger and Prophet and Rashad had no exception.
He left behind 38 appendices.
That is his opinions and understanding from Quran in 19th century.
He is not teaching , he is guiding. Is up to us to examine and without prejudice do correction if we are sure.

 
His recitation of monotheists verses without links to any sect initiated a new round of monotheism movement that has worried your masters and that is reason so many of you are instructed to stop this movement by any price.

When I wrote


>>>But I guide you to verses that GOD has authored more messenger will come before end I of world soon Insha Allah<<<


and you responded.


<< So you have now become a guide?>>


Yes I am a guide .


Anything wrong with that?


Anybody read and learns Quran Alone can be a guide.


Just read and study QURAN ALONE and you will learn where and how to find truth and knowledge hiding behind those verses.

 Knowing Quran is like knowing encyclopedia.

You me and any one after awhile we learn where to go to find our questions.

Now we have many browsers that can do fast search and find verses we need. But understanding the right meaning of verse is different thing . Each submitter will know as much your scholars know.

 Future generation of submitter will be all educated and they do not need any teacher as scholar. These submitter do not go to religious school as you people in all religion are teaching your fabricated words to them.

They learn it from QURAN ALONE and their teacher is GOD ALONE.

 Yes. We can be a guide for new truth seeker and show them what we have seen from Quran not from sick minded imams, shaikhs, scholars that are degrading Last Beloved Prophet with their ugly fairy tale stories like stoning Monkey adulterer or……drinking urine , wings of fly … killing black dog…. . Many of us can be guide.

You then added :

 
<< lol...and where is this verse of another PROPHET?, there is NO SUCH VERSE>>


I wonder how you can claim such LIE:


I wrote :
“”I guide you to verses that GOD has authored*** more messenger*** will come before end I of world””


You posted this verse:
Prpohet and messenger are 2 different one as is explained by GOD in QURAN.
And you added this verse:


"Muhammad (SAW) is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All­Aware of everything." 33:40

Correct and I agree 100% that Mohammed was FINAL PROPHET "Nabi" not FINAL MESSENGER "Rasul".

And then you say :

<< Wake up and read this verse, and did you know the last sermon of Prophet(s)? Where he mentions there shall be NO PROPHET that shall come after him! which was told to all of the sahaba!>>

Mohammed did not have to say that to all Sa Ha BA.
It is recorded and authored by GOD clearly in that verse you posted 33:40 which could be Mohemmed claim.

You see how they have played a game to confuse you people .
Instead telling that 33:40 is word of GOD then they make hadith and do not use the Words of GOD unless you ask where is GOD said. Then in other cases they change meaning of verse to match their Hadith. Sunni , Shia , ….all matching verses to their Shaikhs, imams …. Words.


Now I am going to take you to a tour. Please watch me closely and tell me if I am wrong . But your own words. Your own understanding . No reference to any other sources only Quran.


I wonder if you can do such thing. Try it leave all belief behind and just on GOD and you with clear heart read words of GOD and see how easy He explains everything in detail and complete.

As monotheist submitter I believe in every Words of GOD in Quran. I study Quran in light of monotheism which is based on Quran and believe that

“There is no god beside GOD. ” La Ellahi Al Allah “.


I believe that Mohammed was Last Prophet “Nabi” and God revealed His Last Revelation to him
I believe that I should follow all words of GOD regarding 17:36 and when GOD do not make any distinction among His prophets and messenger I will do same.
I respect all prophets and messengers that their name is recorded in Quran. I follow their path which is submitting to GOD ALONE and His Last messages in Quran Alone.
I believe that Rashad Khalifa was inspired by GOD to reveal secret code of seven pairs on top of 29 sura of Quran and he was Messenger of Covenant ( 3:81).
I believe that more messenger will be assigned by GOD for all communities prior to their destruction before end of world. Their task is to recite Last Revelation , warn humanity and be witness for those community in the Day of Judgment .
I believe that these messengers claim have been inspired by GOD should have proof and sign of GOD for their assignment as is authored in Quran..

I am new student of Quran and my only teacher is the Author of those messages
I do my best to take you to a information tour into this treasure ( Quran).

 1- Prophets

 

In the following verses GOD explains clearly that the inspired one as ***Prophet*** is delivering His New messages to complete the previous Scriptures
As we read these verses we witness that Prophet can be a messenger too but a messenger can not be prophet.

al-Baqarah 2:136.40
Say, "We believe in GOD,
***and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."***
 

. al-Baqarah 2:213.12
The people used to be one community when GOD sent the prophets as bearers of good news, as well as warners. ***He sent down with them the scripture, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes.*** Ironically, those who received the scripture were the ones who rejected any new scripture, despite clear proofs given to them. ***This is due to jealousy on their part. GOD guides those who believe to the truth that is disputed by all others, in accordance with His will. GOD guides whoever wills in a straight path.

Al-Imran 3:79.13
Never would a human being whom GOD ***blessed with the scripture and prophet hood say to the people,*** "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.

. Al-Imran 3:84.38
Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the*** prophets from their Lord.*** We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

. al-Ma'idah 5:44.19
***We have sent down the Torah, containing guidance and light. Ruling in accordance with it were the Jewish prophets, ***as well as the rabbis and the priests, as dictated to them in GOD's scripture, and as witnessed by them. Therefore, do not reverence human beings; you shall reverence Me instead. And do not trade away My revelations for a cheap price. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the disbelievers

 
 

. al-Ma'idah 5:81.8
Had they believed in GOD, and the prophet, and*** in what was revealed to him herein,*** they would not have befriended them. But many of them are evil.

al-An`am 6:89.14]
Those were the ones*** to whom we have given the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood.*** If these people disbelieve, we will substitute others in their place, and the new people will not be disbelievers.

[Maryam 19:29] She pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk with an infant in the crib?"
[Maryam 19:30.23] (The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. ***He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.***

. Maryam 19:51.14
Mention in the***scripture Moses. ***He was devoted,  ***and he was a messenger prophet.***

Here we see that a prophet can be messenger too.

. al-`Ankabut 29:27.12
We granted him Isaac and Jacob, we assigned to his descendants ***prophet hood and the scriptures,*** we endowed him with his due recompense in this life, and in the Hereafter he will surely be with the righteous.

al-Ahzab 33:40.20
Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a

***messenger of GOD and the ***final prophet. ***

GOD is fully aware of all things.
Her God clearly teach us that Mohammed was

 Final Prophet.

This means that no more messages will be revealed from GOD up to end of World. Mohammed was FINAL PROPHET (Nabi) Not Messenegr “Rasul “

. al-Hadid 57:26.11
We sent Noah and Abraham, and we granted their descendants ***prophet hood and the scripture.*** Some of them were guided, while many were wicke.


2- Messenger Prophet

 

Maryam 19:54.19
And mention in the scripture Ismail. He was truthful when he made a promise,

and he was a messenger prophet
 

. Maryam 19:51.13
Mention in the scripture Moses. He was devoted,

 and he was a messenger prophet.
 

3-Messenger.

:
. al-Baqarah 2:129.8
"Our Lord, and raise among them a messenger to recite to them Your revelations, teach them the scripture and wisdom, and purify them. You are the Almighty, Most Wise."

 


. al-Baqarah 2:151.8
(Blessings) such as the sending of a messenger from among you to recite our revelations to you, purify you, teach you the scripture and wisdom,
and to teach you what you never knew.


an-Nisa' 4:41.20
Thus, when the day (of judgment) comes,
we will call upon a witness from each community, and you (the messenger) will serve as a witness among these people.
an-Nisa' 4:165.24]

 Messengers to deliver good news, as well as warnings. Thus, the people will have no excuse when they face GOD, after all these messengers have come to them.

GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.


67. al-Ma'idah 5:19.7


O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you, to explain things to you, after a period of time without messengers, lest you say, "We did not receive any preacher or warner." A preacher and warner has now come to you. GOD is Omnipotent.

.
. al-Kahf 18:56.5
We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain

 


4- More Messengers

 

God has revealed His Last messages in Quran already and when God says Final Prophet then no more messages will delivered but He assigns messengers in predetermined time and place with proof of His authorization .

When Quran was revealed the population of earth was around 200 million. Now just only Arabs have  same population.  Many communities were not existed like America continents.  Human did not had such enormous science and technology  communities.  So when God authors communities is not only Arabs and surrounding  which were in darkness and yet are.

The first thing that remind us that more messenger will come is in  these verses:

Who blows the Horn?

. al-An`am 6:73.33
He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, truthfully. Whenever He says, "Be," it is. His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him ***the day the horn is blown.*** Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.


al-Kahf 18:99.14
At that time, we will let them invade with one another, ***then the horn will be blown,*** and we will summon them all together.


Ta Ha 20:102.7
***That is the day when the horn is blown,*** and we summon the guilty on that day blue.


al-Mu'minun 23:101.3
When the horn is blown, no relations among them will exist on that day, nor will they care about one another.


. an-Naml 27:87.6


On the day when the horn is blown, everyone in the heavens and the earth will be horrified, except those chosen by GOD. All will come before Him, forcibly.

Ya Sin 36:51.2
The horn will be blown, whereupon they will rise from the grave and go to their Lord.


az-Zumar 39:68.2
The horn will be blown, whereupon everyone in the heavens and the earth will be struck unconscious, except those who will be spared by GOD. Then it will be blown another time, whereupon they will all rise up, looking.


Qaf 50:20.2
The horn is blown; this is the promised day.


al-Haqqah 69:13.3
When the horn is blown once.


al-Mudathir 74:8.4
Then, when the horn is blown.


an-Naba' 78:18.4
The day the horn is blown, and you come in throngs.
Is explained in such simple words and phrases that I can not add anything to it.:

. bani Isra'il 17:58.10

***There is not a community that we will not annihilate ***before*** the Day of Resurrection,*** or inflict severe retribution upon them. This is already written down in the book.

AND:

. ash-Shu`ara' 26:208.5
***We never annihilate any community without sending warners.***

AND:

al-Qasas 28:59.7
***For your Lord never annihilates any community without sending a messenger in the midst thereof, to recite our revelations to them.***

 We never annihilate any community, unless its people are wicked.

AND:

an-Nahl 16:84.10
The day will come when we raise from every community a witness, then those who disbelieved will not be permitted (to speak), nor will they be excused.

. an-Nahl 16:89.11
The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters

. an-Nisa' 4:41.16
Thus, when the day (of judgment) comes, we will call upon a witness*** from each community, ***and you (the messenger) will serve as a witness among these people.

Yunus 10:47.3
***To each community, a messenger. After their messenger comes, they are judged equitably, without the least injustice.***


bani Isra'il 17:15.36
Whoever is guided, is guided for his own good, and whoever goes astray does so to his own detriment. No sinner will bear the sins of anyone else.

 ***We never punish without first sending a messenger.***


. al-Furqan 25:39.12
To each of these groups, we delivered sufficient examples, before we annihilated them.
. al-Qasas 28:59.5
***For your Lord never annihilates any community without sending a messenger in the midst thereof, to recite our revelations to them.*** We never annihilate any community, unless its people are wicked

Praise be to GOD for helping me.
Bahman Goharzad
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updated April2nd 2005

This file was published in year 2001